Starting to roll the ball

[i***@ubique.com]

I'm going to try and start rolling the ball, since I don't see any trafic
on the
mailing list (then again, my mail reader may be malfunctioning again).

1. Where are the minutes from the last IETF meeting?
2. Here I go again, being a nudnik ("nood nick", yiddish for a pain in the
neck) : Audience, audience, audience (the target of the group's efforts).

Any thoughts?

Ittai Golde,
Ubiqe Ltd.

[April Marine]

Hello you nudnik! :-)

The minutes have a deadline of next Friday (I think that's right), so they
will be coming soon.

And I agree with your emphasis on audience (and so did everyone else at
the WG). Others can correct me, but the upshot of the meeting is that we
agreed to start with a finite audience that we understand and can reliably
create content for: the new IETF attendee or someone who wants to know
more about the breadth of the IETF (as it's hard to scope it even if you
attend).

Since the IETF does work in many areas of the Internet that are of
general interest, once we have that beginning, it MAY be possible to
expand it to a more general audience, but that won't be addressed for at
least a year.

Chris and I have the action to re-draft the charter and will run that by
the group. In the meantime, any ideas welcome!

regards,
April Marine

Post by i***@ubique.com
I'm going to try and start rolling the ball, since I don't see any trafic
on the
mailing list (then again, my mail reader may be malfunctioning again).
1. Where are the minutes from the last IETF meeting?
2. Here I go again, being a nudnik ("nood nick", yiddish for a pain in the
neck) : Audience, audience, audience (the target of the group's efforts).
Any thoughts?
Ittai Golde,
Ubiqe Ltd.

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April Marine
Director of Support Services +1.650.779.6006
Internet Engines Incorporated ***@iengines.net

[Michael Sondow]

Hi, April! How was Minneapolis? Pretty cold out there?

Post by April Marine
Others can correct me, but the upshot of the meeting is that we
agreed to start with a finite audience that we understand and can reliably
create content for: the new IETF attendee or someone who wants to know
more about the breadth of the IETF

I, for one, will be sorry if the weird pages are left to circulate
only among the IETF attendees. The FYIs are of great general
usefulness; I steer everyone I know who asks those sorts of question
to them, with inevitable success.

The weird pages will have an even greater applicability, and should
be made universally available, IMHO. And that means an informational
and linkage campaign. Why, even many of the RFC mirror sites don't
carry the FYIs. And I recently discovered that my ISP, who doesn't
belong to the IETF, had never seen the ones on networking tools, and
is very happy to have them, since they are of such great utility to
isolated ISPs who are having problems configuring their DN records.
What a shame it will be if these new pages aren't more widely
distributed!

[April Marine]

Post by Michael Sondow
Hi, April! How was Minneapolis? Pretty cold out there?

Actually, surprisingly nice! And I was geared up for the Arctic!

Post by Michael Sondow
I, for one, will be sorry if the weird pages are left to circulate
only among the IETF attendees. The FYIs are of great general

Oh no, they will be totally available to anyone. The topic is just
initially restricted to general IETF info because that is what we have the
best scope on. I think once we get that up, we can extend it to more
general background info as well.

Post by Michael Sondow
and linkage campaign. Why, even many of the RFC mirror sites don't
carry the FYIs. And I recently discovered that my ISP, who doesn't

All FYIs are RFCs, so any site that mirrors all the RFCs has the FYIs,
although they may not have them in a handy separate directory!

later!
A.

[Michael Sondow]

Post by i***@ubique.com
I'm going to try and start rolling the ball, since I don't see any trafic
on the
mailing list

Good idea! I was starting to wonder, myself, if this project had
gotten lost or thrown out in spring cleaning :)

Post by i***@ubique.com
Audience, audience, audience (the target of the group's efforts).

Ah-ha! You've put your finger on the sore spot. Who, indeed, will be
the audience for the (planned) "weird" pages? If some pre-determined
methods for reaching out to new and not-so-new Internet users aren't
worked out, the new documents won't get out to any more people than
the old ones did (i.e. not many).

I will be glad to put links to them, once they are published, on the
ICIIU's website, where I already have links to the present
text-based FYIs (and especially the glossaries). But without some
sort of campaign, I doubt if many others will link to them.

Discussion?

[Pruitt, Dace]

April
Possibly we need two teams. One to create a central site and one to
publicize it and verify links throughout all of the other sites, would that
help?

Dace Pruitt
l
Enterprise Service Desk / Enterprise Service Center
303-927-1106



-----Original Message-----
From: April Marine [SMTP:***@isc.org]
Sent: 3/26/99 2:35 PM
To: Michael Sondow
Cc: April Marine; ietf-***@imc.org
Subject: Re: Starting to roll the ball

Post by Michael Sondow
Hi, April! How was Minneapolis? Pretty cold out there?

Actually, surprisingly nice! And I was geared up for the Arctic!

Post by Michael Sondow
I, for one, will be sorry if the weird pages are left to circulate
only among the IETF attendees. The FYIs are of great general

Oh no, they will be totally available to anyone. The topic is just
initially restricted to general IETF info because that is what we
have the
best scope on. I think once we get that up, we can extend it to
more
general background info as well.

Post by Michael Sondow
and linkage campaign. Why, even many of the RFC mirror sites don't
carry the FYIs. And I recently discovered that my ISP, who doesn't

All FYIs are RFCs, so any site that mirrors all the RFCs has the
FYIs,
although they may not have them in a handy separate directory!

later!
A.

[April Marine]

In the long run, the publicity would be great. But I see that as a "phase
2" thing. I am really interested in just getting to some CONTENT, then
we can take the next step (advertising, enhanching, etc. etc.).

I am in the process of getting some webspace set up at my new company and
coordinating with the IETF Secretariat. We should have a "home" soon!

April

Post by Pruitt, Dace
April
Possibly we need two teams. One to create a central site and one to
publicize it and verify links throughout all of the other sites, would that
help?
Dace Pruitt
l
Enterprise Service Desk / Enterprise Service Center
303-927-1106
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 3/26/99 2:35 PM
To: Michael Sondow
Subject: Re: Starting to roll the ball

Post by Michael Sondow
Hi, April! How was Minneapolis? Pretty cold out there?

Actually, surprisingly nice! And I was geared up for the Arctic!

Post by Michael Sondow
I, for one, will be sorry if the weird pages are left to circulate
only among the IETF attendees. The FYIs are of great general

Oh no, they will be totally available to anyone. The topic is just
initially restricted to general IETF info because that is what we
have the
best scope on. I think once we get that up, we can extend it to
more
general background info as well.

Post by Michael Sondow
and linkage campaign. Why, even many of the RFC mirror sites don't
carry the FYIs. And I recently discovered that my ISP, who doesn't

All FYIs are RFCs, so any site that mirrors all the RFCs has the
FYIs,
although they may not have them in a handy separate directory!
later!
A.

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April Marine
Director of Support Services +1.650.779.6006
Internet Engines Incorporated ***@iengines.net

[Michael Sondow]

Post by April Marine
We should have a "home" soon!

Will there be a house-warming party (with gifts of .gif and .jpg
files and html editors)?

[April Marine]

Post by Michael Sondow

Post by April Marine
We should have a "home" soon!

Will there be a house-warming party (with gifts of .gif and .jpg
files and html editors)?

Well, fruit baskets would be appreciated! :-)

April